well i finally did it and went out and bought some new toys. got myself a lincoln 3200hd welder, new drill press, tube notcher, cut off saw, and most of all a hydralic (darn i cant spell) tube bender. oh yea and a really good friend who is showing me how to weld but after my first bead he took one look at it and said i dont need any trainning you got it first shot he was impressed. anyways we got everything setup and started playing with the bender. it has a pump jack in the bottom and two rollers one on each end of the arms. you stuff the tube in and push the pump up into the pipe bending it upwards. but no matter how slow we went the tubes kept getting flattened and we were no where near a tight bend like i see done on here by some of you guys. should i have gotten the conduit bender? i am stumped.