ELGIN OR IVER not sure

[62hotrod]

here are two old bikes i just got in .trying to figure out what they are the chain rings are the same but the frames are diffrent the 1st two pictures is the one with truss rods & wood rims . elgin or iver johnson any help would be great thanks....

 

[Metal Militia]

this won't be any help, but i love both of them!

 

[rico]

ELGIN

 

[scott brownsey]

elgins i do beleave so

 

[floridasfavson]

Chainring definitly looks Elgin to me.

 

[kram]

Judging by the parts I would say it's definitely an Elver :lol:

 

[ohdeebee]

The first one looks exactly like my Iver Johnson. The fork is a pretty good indicator on the Ivers.

 

[rms37]

Neither bike appears to be an Iver Johnson. Iver used a proprietary two piece crank set mounted in a smaller than standard bottom bracket. Of all the bikes produced in the twenties and early thirties, Ivers are among the easiest to single out. It also does not look like either bike has the distinctive Iver fork crown and siamesed trussrods.

The chain ring patterns suggest the bikes may have been badged and sold as Elgins but Sears did not manufacture bikes and used several different manufacturers as suppliers. In addition the Star pattern chain ring is not an Elgin exclusive so at best Elgin is a possible guess among many. The Moto-Balloon has a fork crown that looks like an H.P. Snyder unit. Snyder built Elgin Moto-Balloon models are depicted in the 1935 Sears catalog so you might compare your bike with other known Snyder built bikes to see if it is a match in the area of small frame details.