I posted this on the fb group but my buddy paid 20 for the pair and is keeping the murray. I tried to buy these bikes 3 months ago and the guy wouldn't budge off 250. So them showing up at a thrift store was awesome. I was also correct about the black one being a monark and not a scwhinn. Firestone badged but seems to be a 53 like the murray. Sadly a very ghetto front fender