Above is the first frame I had, it was thrown out after I moved by the new owners of the house, I went back to pick it up and nearly cried. but that was back in 2006. I am a member of the LayItLow lowriding forum and posted the same thing when I was recommended to RatRobBikes (Hello everyone). The bike below is same frame I had except it has the top bar. I just received in the mail this week, still don't know what it is.