RRBBO7 HYPE UP THREAD!

[kingfish254]

After reading over the rules again, I guess Fugsley could have been a legal entry.

I don't think so based on this rule: 3. Must use factory frame....no altering of original frame structure/geometry

This means fugsley's rear wheel would have had to fit into the stock drops.

It would be great to get some clarification on this rule before the build. Not that I have anything like Fugsley planned, but it does use the factory frame. The only thing that was cut from the factory frame were the forks. It doesn't say you have to use the original dropouts, otherwise there are plenty of builds that would have been disqualified that had drop out extensiions for the rear wheels (and front supensions have been WIDE open to create

Here are a couple of scenarios that I would like the rules committee (basically the forum) to give feedback on.

Scenario 1: Trike - Take any stock frame as your base build frame. Remove a trike rear end from an old adult trike and bolt on (or weld) this rear end to the stock build frame. Does this violate rule 3??????

Scenario 2: Homemade longtail (xtracycle) - Take any stock frame as your base build frame. Use the rear triangle from a cheap wally world suspension bike and bolt it to the base frames dropouts and add support member (bolted or welded). Does this violate rule 3?????

I feel this is still in the spirit of a rat build because you are taking random parts to embelish your base bike. No different than adding 4 foot long pipes to your forks to make a monster chopper (which changes the geometry of the ride, but doesn't change the geometry of the base frame).

Please weigh in with your opinions.

[FunkyStickman]

I don't think frame add-ons would violate the rule, as long as it's a wicked looking build, and it's obviously not mutilating the frame.

I could very well build an Xtracycle for the next build-off. I'd hate to think that would disqualify it.

Of course, the specs for the Xtracycle system are openly available, so who's to say I couldn't build a retro version of it to match the frame it's going on.

My two ideas for the build-off would be:
1. An extremely ratty (but fast) road bike to embarass the roadies with on the weekends
2. A cargo bike (most likely an Xtracycle) done up in proper RatRod style.

It would have to be a pretty fast road bike, or a really awesome cargo bike... my current bike is decent at both.

[brett4christ]

I'm personally good with "non-destructive" frame modifications (ie. no cutting /welding of the original frame that prevents the original forks/wheels/crank from being reinstalled in its original position or functioning properly). Tweeks for wheel clearance (again, no cutting/welding) are allowed, although moving/removing seatstay/chainstay braces could be allowed if all agreed.

[Skipton]

fourth times a charm! lets do it.

Yep will be the fourth time for me also..... LET'S DO THIS!!!

[deven_science]

I always cut up and modify my frames, but I've had a Schwinn frame held off to the side for a whole for the build off. As tough as it will be, I plan on being a stickler, and doing no modding at all to the frame.

I am in for my first build off!

[Double Nickle]

I think im going BMX this year....








or maybe not......

Who knows

[Green P1]

I really wanted to enter my Trek this year but I just don't have enough irons in the fire to tide me over until it starts. oh well

[mikesbikes36]

ANYTHING GOES ...I THINK !!!! CUT WELD SAND GRIND WATEVER U WANT

[outskirtscustoms]

As Rat Rod said in last year's build off, trace the frame with chalk on the sidewalk. If it still fits the outline when you're done it is legal. cutting chain guard tabs, chain stay and seat stay braces, or shaving emblems is allowed.

[mikesbikes36]

no i mean ...we should have 2 chop up the frame in order 2 be in the build off ...no stock frames allowed !!! see what im sayin

[outskirtscustoms]

no i mean ...we should have 2 chop up the frame in order 2 be in the build off ...no stock frames allowed !!! see what im sayin

Some people don't have access to a welder so they keep it stock frame so everyone can participate and not have an unfair advantage. I think with RRB evolving and more of us getting welders and having access to advanced tools (Just got a welder myself) we should update the rules to have 3 winners per year.

Stock class - no frame mods other than what is allowed now.

Modified - stock frame that has been cut, bent, stretched, mated to another frame, or otherwise modified but keeps original lines. Fugsley would fall in this category.

and Scratch built - frame built entirely from raw material using one's own design.

[Walker]

Not being able to modify a frame by welding keeps me from entering, well that and never finishing anything before either losing interest or finding another project:D

[yoothgeye]

Scenario 1: Trike - Take any stock frame as your base build frame. Remove a trike rear end from an old adult trike and bolt on (or weld) this rear end to the stock build frame. Does this violate rule 3??????

Scenario 2: Homemade longtail (xtracycle) - Take any stock frame as your base build frame. Use the rear triangle from a cheap wally world suspension bike and bolt it to the base frames dropouts and add support member (bolted or welded). Does this violate rule 3?????

Trike is fine, you are leaving the frame alone, only adding parts to it. Graylock did an Xtracycle type bike in RRBBO#5 (I think) once again, frame was same, just added parts.

Forks are not included with frame, you can add any type of fork you want, there have been some crazy ones, so if you wanted 8 foot long chopper forks, go for it.

I have seen diamond frames entered into the build off that have had an extra bar welded in to make it appear like a tank bike, the frame really wasn't modified, just an accessory bar added. Now, if you wanted to cut off the head tube and add rake... no. Cut out top and down tube and stretch... no. You can add as much as you want as long as (like outskirtcustoms said) you can still see the original frame in all the add ons, same head tube angle, length of tubes, etc...

Ask as much as you want here, but don't ask Steve, we should be thankful he's letting us have another. Is there a rule committee? No, we are self ruling and our voting should represent our respect of the rules and how people built along those lines.

I think "expensive" is a relative term, but I think cheap is more definable.

As for the different classes based on our overall level of growing skill, let us not forget we are a growing community and we were once where others are now who can enter this build-off under rules that set a level playing field.

[SCHWINNRAY69]

SchwinnRay will be entering with a Columbia frame!

SchwinnRay will also be WINNING!

[Walker]

I have seen diamond frames entered into the build off that have had an extra bar welded in to make it appear like a tank bike, the frame really wasn't modified, just an accessory bar added.

This is what I'm talking about, how is adding a frame tube "not really modified". I have a sweet frame that I would consider entering but it has been the subject of a gender swap.