The Eliminators: Wife's Bike revamped

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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    How have I missed this!? :shock:

    Looking good love all the great ideas... keep it coming! :mrgreen:
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    Looks good. I like it with the 20" front.
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    I like the last pic with the 20" wheel on front. I also like the original paint.
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    looking siiiiiiick!!!! :D I love the slick, youre doing a great job, cant wait to see it finished!
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    Thanks a lot guys! I appreciate your comments and opinions.

    Am so glad the Jerald slick came out and glad you guys like the look. :D

    24" frame will stay the original color. Luckily I’ve got the 20” Eliminator frame for my wife to build another way (blue/yellow). I’m going to get an Alloy 20” singlespeed wheelset for her bike then maybe “borrow” the front wheel if I want to go in that direction.

    I'm going to save the chain guard for her bike so I might jazz up my chainring/crank combo to compensate. I've got some stuff coming in the mail to see if it's possible.

    Think I like the shorter sissy bar better. Seems to look kinda tougher. Think the taller bar will look better with the shorter seat on 20" frame.
    Lots more to get done. Stay tuned...

    Thanks for looking
    Steve
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    looking right man..keep it up.. :wink:
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24"frame arrived 29Jan12

    Hey Everybody,

    Thanks!

    Wanted to go with something different for the chainring/crank so ordered a BMX square taper conversion (Porckchop). The Eliminator frames are similar to the Spaceliners that the tubes stick into the space of the Bottom Bracket tube. Went through a lot of work to get a modern Bottom Bracket in the Spaceliner but had no intention of doing that again. This is a good alternative and the cranks didn’t seem to be spaced too far away from the frame. Plan to paint the bearing covers yet. The conversion is just dry fit for now. It seems like it could spin with less drag than a modern BB. The super light Sugino Maxx 52tooth crankset looks pretty good. Think I can go smaller on the Nexus hub too. Not sure how I want the gearing yet. Somewhat depends on the weight/setup.
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    Tried to find some matching paint for the frame. Actually found a close color match but not the metal flake size/amount. Flamboyant yellow is Testor’s Inca Gold lacquer and Flamboyant Orange is Testor’s Fiery Orange lacquer. I want to do some touch up where the chain guard and kick stand were mounted. Plus a few nicks and scratches. I tried to spot paint it (somewhere that wouldn’t show) to see the difference. It doesn’t really match. I’m really bummed. Wanted to put on the 24” fork and match the orange but again the metal flake doesn’t look right. Original paint is always the best but I kinda wanted this to be a really nice bike. I really like the orange but not so much the yellow/green/gold. Am going to see what a gold Origin8 crankset might look like. Was thinking it might bring out the gold more. My LBS has one in stock so can look at it without purchase. If it doesn’t help, not sure what I’m going to do. And that still doesn’t solve the touch up issues or matching the 24" fork.
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    So mocked up the 24” fork with the 26” front wheel/tire. The front/wheel is actually about ½” shorter than the 24”rear with the Jerald slick. But it “looks” taller and I don’t like it. Think I’ll have to go ISO520 24” (recumbent) wheel to make it look better. 24” would actually help with seat height/crank length/knee flex issue. This mockup is sitting at 32lbs without the chain (stock bike was 49lbs). That’s 2 lbs lighter than the 24”/20” mockup (1 pc crankset, 20” was steel rim for mockup only). Still have a few more weight weenie tricks left :lol:
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    Still want to go larger than 20” in the front, so with the paint issue, have to think about how I want this build to progress.
    Comments are welcome. Thanks for looking
    Steve
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24" fork, 3 pc crank 6Feb12

    That looks mean!!!!!
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24" fork, 3 pc crank 6Feb12

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    Steve, ^^^^^^^ Bike looks great in this photo!^^^^^

    The three piece crank looks great, those conversion kits are really nice I have one on my Schwinn I really like it.
    The nexus is a great addition.

    What if you didn't match the fork color with the rest of the frame. Gloss white might look nice and have a cool 60's vibe.

    Or maybe use one of the colors from the seat tube decal Blue, Red,? would be easy to spray fork and see how it looks.

    Keep up the great work!
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24" fork, 3 pc crank 6Feb12

    SWEEEEEEEET!!!! 8) :mrgreen: I'm diggin this build!!!
     
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    Re: The Eliminator, 24" fork, 3 pc crank 6Feb12

    Thanks a Lot for the compliments Guys! :D
    I’m glad you like the setup. It’s getting closer…

    Thanks Skipton for the suggestions and props. I hadn’t quite thought of not matching. Might try to paint the fork but there is still the wheels I wanted to match. Maybe not match but compliment like your suggestion of gloss white. Maybe paint sissy bar plus other components. Maybe black out components. I’m so confused…

    While trying to decide what to do with the 24” frame, I bought a fat slick for my wife’s 20” frame to see if it would fit . Found a reasonable deal on Innova Swifter Chopper 20”x3” tires (2 for the list price of 1). Knew that a 2.8” would barely fit if before the frame’s inward curve. Looked at Randy’s measurements for 24”x3” (sectional width=61mm) and someone else’s 24”x3 (sectional width =71mm), THANKS Guys! So used the rust old wheel originally from Mag Ray and stuck it on. The Innova is 2.75” sectional width! It will fit with a drop out mod (same as on the Spaceliner). [​IMG]

    Know it looks like just recycling parts between the two bikes but now I know what works.
    Really like the look of these tires on this bike! Know now I’m going to order a new aluminum-rimmed, single-speed wheelset. Think it will be light enough for a single speed. Can goof around with gearing yet too. Also, can send out the 20” frame for stripping now. My wife gets the head badge, chainguard and tall sissy bar, I get the 3 speed with shifter :lol:

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    That’s the Front/rear tire-diameter look I want on the 24” frame! Noticed the Jerald slick is becoming a favorite with the 24” muscle bikes so thinking about switching it up with an Innova 24”x3”. Not sure if I want to though. The 24” Jerald slick is slightly less than 2 lbs. The 20” Innova is 2.5 lbs. The 24” Innova will be even heavier. It could look really cool though and it IS a 3 speed.
    But there is a drop out mod involved. Have to think about it for a while. ..

    Thanks for looking
    Steve
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 20”Frame w/fat slick 7Feb12

    The 20x3 tire looks AWESOME! :mrgreen: Great builds so far :wink:
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 20”Frame w/fat slick 7Feb12

    Awesome! Your trial & error method will really help me with my build. I like the plan: "If it don't fit, I will make it fit!" Thanks for doing my homework for me! Lookin BAD *** so far! 8) :mrgreen:
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 20”Frame w/fat slick 7Feb12

    I never was into those and am soooo surprised they weighed so much! I like what youve done with the cranks, for sure.........BTW, when I was pulling wheelies with my motorcycles I also found out I fell down a lot more, so I quit doing that :!:
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 20”Frame w/fat slick 7Feb12

    Thanks Nick! One might fit into your stingray too.

    Thanks Pick. Try to measure/draw/plan but getting bike parts in your hands and mocking up is the final Go/NoGo judge.

    Sorry to hear wheelies hurt with your motorcycle. Going to practice so can step off when it inevitably flips too far. Not having an engine for power helps the control too :lol:


    BUILDS Update:
    20” Frame: Measured how far to cut out the dropout by seeing where the widest point of the tire would be aft of the frame curves. Thought I needed 1” but was worried about taking out that much, even though there is a lot of room with these dropouts (that’s one reason I picked the frame) Using some discretion, I went halfway and tried it and it worked.

    About and 1/8" each side. Here is how 20x3 sits in the frame now:
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    The mod needs refining and the wheel/axle won’t be used in the final build.
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    Got the head badge off with some trouble. Rivets wouldn’t come out with inside head removed. Pryed the head badge off around the rivets with very little damage. Will be covered up by the new screws that are replacing the rivets. Wanted to keep the original condition of the head badge. Will clean and clearcoat. 20” frame is now ready to be stripped.


    24” frame: So didn’t like the 26” or 20” front wheel/tire combos. Talked with the mech at Calhoun Cycle (recumbent specialists) about a 24” ISO 520 wheel (ISO 507 is normal with 1.5”tire narrowest). We talked details and he shot me a reasonable price for what I couldn’t find anywhere else in that price range. Many online were priced above $200 going up to $400 and didn’t want to invest that much.
    So did a check to see if the ISO520 might work. With the Jerald slick and the Specialized Mondo (24”x1”), think it looks right. Will have it in a few days. [​IMG]

    So I went to a swap meet yesterday:
    viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52464
    Found some 24”x3.45” Hoggy Gs. Actually have one coming in the mail too.
    Decided to try it after No Talent Clown’s comments (Thanks!!):
    viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23608

    Still like the Jerald slick and will use it for particular rides (smaller 1.5” wide tread minimizes rolling resistance and square shape should maintain better straight ahead direction) but wanted something else that would fill the frame more. So mounted the Hoggy-G up thinking it might take a dropout mod. It didn’t! Very tight but have about that much clearance on my Spaceliner (with several hundred miles on it). With the Nexus rim (“1.75 inch ”), it came out to 2.625” wide. About 0.1” clearance each side. Will have to make sure everything stays in place once bolted together. They were ~1200g with tube (heavier than Jerald):

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    Like the way it looks. Should be kinda crazy with the 24”x1” in the front.
    Can you say Big and Littles?

    Thanks for looking
    Steve
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, Fittin' Fat tires 13Feb12

    Those Hoggy G's are SNAZZY! :shock:

    The bikes don't look bad either :wink:
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, Fittin' Fat tires 13Feb12

    Thanks Nick, I think :lol:

    BTW, Weighed the Jerald slick with the tube and it was the same weight 1200g.
    Bigger tire and no weight gain :D
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, Fittin' Fat tires 13Feb12

    Got the recumbent 24” (ISO520) wheel and tire (24”x1”) last night.
    Think the Wheel/Tire Combination final works. I’m relieved because I been through so many that I didn’t like. Have to admit, that if I knew the Hoggy G 2.625” sectional width tire would have fit, I probably would have gone with the wider (and significantly cheaper) 24” (ISO 507 “normal”) with the 1.5” width.

    The ISO520 might have been more expensive but it’s really good quality. Spun it at the shop and it just kept going and going! :D Like that it’s high pressure too (~95psi). The dual wall recumbent wheel /hub are designed to handle the heavier loads and higher speeds similar to a road bike (or 170lbs adult on a kid’s bike :lol: )

    Kept looking for about 2:1 ratio between rear:front tire. Jerald 2.125” with 1” front was my first choice. The Hoggy G 2.625” and 1.5” front would have been okay too. Now it’s sitting at 2.625” and 1” front. Was afraid it might look odd but think it looks good.

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    Lots of details now to get done. Pprefer shorter cranks (less than 6.7”) but don’t want to run 5.5” like the 20” bike. The short sissy bar is too narrow (small tear in new seat, Arghhh!) and I didn’t have any indication that it was going to be used when I ordered it. Started calculating gearing and the 52/19 is too much. In third gear, it would be harder than the Spaceliner, which is unnecessary. Going to paint the fork fiery red metallic and see how it looks.

    My goal of getting a Jerald slick to fit on a muscle bike has been exceeded so I’m pretty happy. Hopefully by shoving the biggest slick possible on both Eliminators, I helped contribute to the Fat Tire War that seems to be going on. :D
    Was definitely inspired by UdallCustoms’ Rust DX and CCR’s Stingray with 3”slick. And KingFish254 really upped the ante. Plenty of others going for the big meats. Build-Off 7 should be really interesting…

    Thanks for looking
    Steve
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 24” Final Wheel/Tire Combo 16Feb12

    Lets see.......
    Throw on a low breadloaf seat, rearset of pegs off the back axle, and some low 'tracker bars and you'll have quite a gravity racer...........then you wont need any cranks :wink: .
     
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    Re: The Eliminators, 24” Final Wheel/Tire Combo 16Feb12

    Hey Everybody,
    Can't believe its' been almost 2 weeks since last post?!
    Like to pedal actually. Helps my arthric knees :D

    Not much of an update
    Got the 20” wheels on Friday. Goofed up the front wheel order :oops: (14mm 20" BMX is not like 14mm quick release style road/recumbent)
    So instead, going to use the recumbent 20” (ISO 451, regular 20” is ISO406) picked up at a swap meet 2 weeks back. Will be putting on a blackwall 1 1/8” tire on it. Needs bearings gone through too but for $10… Like others, had a hard time getting the 3.45" back tire on the 1.5” rim but finally got it on and it works fine.

    Here are the Big and Littles for my wife’s 20” bike only with a blackwall up front
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    Cleaned up the chain guard for my wife’s 20”bike. Lots of rust on the back side, now bare metal so will paint the back side silver and clear coat the whole thing

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    Will get the 20” in for stripping this week. Plan to paint the 24” fork this week.
    My wife saw Terry 66’s powder coated Typhoon and is thinking we might be powder coating hers.
    Now she has to think up a color, which may take a couple more weeks LOL


    Rebuilt some older pedals for the 24” bike. It’s so nice to work on quality parts (Royce Union)

    The Origin 8 triple cranks (145mm) have a bad chainline unless the most inside position is used (not really feasible) so a colleague suggested Krupi. Am looking at getting SINZ 145mm 5 bolt crank set
    http://www.crupibmxracing.com/crank-sinz-square.html and matching 46T chainring
    http://www.crupibmxracing.com/chainring-sinz-5Bolt.html Superlight not horrible price.
    Need to confirm that the chain line will work. The YST axle is 127mm but the Sinz BB are 113mm and 118mm
    If it works, plan to sand blast and paint (maybe gold like the frame).

    Have not been making as good progress lately. Have a tendency to figure out the concept and then lose some interest in actually making it. Just want to skip to riding at that point :lol: Glad to have this thread to keep on task.

    Thanks for looking
    Steve
     

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